CNN's John King speaks with Rev. Jeffress about his comment that a vote for Romney "would give credibility to a cult"
Cults are self-serving. Mormonism clearly is. Mormonism teaches the plurality of Gods. It teaches that we have more than one creator, teaches that WE can become gods eventually which is a fallacy, The faith also teaches that when God's children are resurrected that we will have fleshly bodies. That isn't true. They believe in different phases of transgression and where that will take you based upon those limits. There is only Heaven and Hell. There is no purgatory either as Catholics like to say. When you die, you go to Heaven or Hell, and then at the Second Coming of Christ when the Great White Throne Judgment takes place, you are judged for the sin you have committed if you haven't received the Christ of the Holy Bible. Sinners are judged for their sin, and the redeemed are judged for their reward in Heaven. It kills me how ignorant politicians are in accordance with faith. It shouldn't surprise me though considering that liberals have taken God out of every fiber of t his country. God will have his day. Will you be ready?
I'm a Texan and a Mormon. I really liked Rick Perry and am proud of what he's done for Texas. I was planning to vote for him. But now, after his surrogate has insulted me and 14 million fellow Latter-day Saints, I don't trust him to protect my religious rights. Mitt, I'm with you 100 percent. and Romney's got my vote.
Jerry, I believe Dr. Jeffress believes that Americans have a "right to be wrong." No one is talking about denying anyone their rights. Baptists have been on the forefront in defending religious liberty. Liberty is more of a formal matter. On the substance, we can disagree and still respect the rights of those with whom we disagree.
But on the substance, Anselm defined God as that being who no greater can be conceived. Would you agree with that definition? If not, then what do you object to in Anselm's definition? If you do agree with Anselm, how can God have existed at a time when he was not divine, which would be an imperfection? Can a flawed human become God?–if so, is that being the greatest possible? Would not a being who never had an imperfection or limitation be even greater? Is God omnipotent? Can there be more than one omnipotent being? And again, if there were ever a time God had limits, how can we say that he is all-powerful?
Raising these questions, contrary to what some think, are not intolerant. Openly discussing our differences is the essence of toleration, wouldn't you say?
Mormanism is NOT a Christian based group. Belief in multiple Gods, self prophets stating they will be a God, and establishing mortal men such as Joseph Smith at same level as Jesus sounds a little cultish. Oh yes Mormanismit is a CULT.
This is what the Leaders of the mormon church say about Christ.
Member, I took a look at the Youtube video that you recommended. I noticed that one of the Mormon speakers in the video said that Jesus had a flesh and bone body like God the Father. In reply, please consider my questions to Jerry just above. Also, how would you deal with the biblical passage clearly teaching that God is Spirit and Invisible? For example, John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth;" I Timothy 1:17
"Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Also, do you believe that Jesus and Satan are spiritual brothers? Should we pray to Jesus? Is Jesus eternal and Divine? How would you deal with Jesus' claim to eternal being in John 8:58 when he claims tenseless existence "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" ? In connection with this passage please see Exodus 3:14 "God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'""
Also, in regard to comments you made below to a critic of Mormonism, has not the Mormon Church traditionally considered both Catholics and Protestants to be illicit lines of Christianity and Mormons to be the one true version of Christianity?
Regarding whether or not Mormonism is a cult, I think the media first needs to do it's job in investigating the facts. Christianity is not merely the belief that Jesus existed or that he was a great man to be emulated, it is the belief that his claims of deity were valid. It was for this reason he was crucified, but Scriptures clearly reveal the fact that he was indeed God in the flesh. Any religious denomination who fails to take in these verses of Scripture as factual fails to qualify as a Christian religion. They are making false claims. If you make a simple table of religions and their doctrinal 'corners of the faith' you'll see many in fact fall by the wayside, including Mormonism. Look it up people! Are you not journalists for goodness sakes??
This is what the leaders of the mormon church say about Christ.
Be careful what you go about saying about other religions, let them talk for themselves. Mormon don't criticize other church's, it has far more important things to do like helping others like Christ would do.
I have over a 15 year period come to know many Mormons they are good people and believe in God and Family, And do not belong to the old faith of Mormons, there has been many changes made, a friend of mine needed help with her son the Catholic church turned their back while the Mormons lent a hand and now the young man is living a good life and in the process changed his faith to Mormon.They have many things to keep the youth busy and live kind and God abiding lives.Romney's faith matters not it's what he can do for the Country
In discussing Mormonism and its differences with orthodox Christianity, John King misses a critical distinction. Orthodox Christians believe in one God (in the entire universe and all of being at any level) who is eternal, all-powerful, omnipresent, and perfectly holy. Mormons reject this view of God. They believe that each planet has its own god who is a human who rose to the position of divinity. For Mormons, there is not one God over the entire Creation, but many gods forming a "Council of Gods." The Mormon view of Jesus is different as is their view of salvation.
Mormonism is certainly not just another Christian denomination. In fact, Mormons believe Catholic and Protestants lost the original real message of Christianity and now offer corruptions of the Gospel.
The only disagreement that I have with Dr. Jeffress was his politicizing religious differences.
John, Perhaps a clarification on terms regarding Mormonism would be helpful for the discussion. There is a sociological and a theological definition that applies when describing a group as a cult. The sociological definition of a cult pertains to groups that utilize brainwashing, authoritarian methods, exploitative methods, unethical persuasion, etc. The theological definition of a cult means that a particular group is outside the realm of Christian orthodoxy. Most Christian groups do consider the Mormon Church outside the pale of orthodoxy including the Roman Catholic Church and most main line protestant denominations. Hope this helps to clear up the word being used in such a pejorative sense. All the best, Dan
Mormonism is not a cult, and BELIEVE ME, Perry is regretting those remarks and I've read he's about to do something drastic to prove he's pro-Mormon! http://www.omdoubleg.com/politics-2/rick-perry-hopes-to-win-mormon-vote-by-marrying-second-wife/
"let me ask you, is it really “bigoted” to make an honest statement concerning your convictions? Pastor Jeffress did not say hateful remarks about Romney as a person. He didn’t even make derogatory comments about Mormons. He simply stated what has long been the position of evangelical Christians.
Jeffress wasn’t saying that Mormons are sociologically a cult, but that that theologically their doctrine greatly differs from biblical Christianity. The Mormon religion actually teaches that the Book of Mormon is equal to if not superior to the Bible:
The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible. It is a record of God’s dealings with the ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains, as does the Bible, the fullness of the everlasting gospel….
Concerning this record the Prophet Joseph Smith said: “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” (Introduction to the Book of Mormon, paragraphs 1 and 6)
Mormonism teaches that forgiveness of sins comes, not through faith in Christ, but through water baptism:
…Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling of the commandments unto the remission of sins. (Book of Mormon, Moroni 8:11)
Mormonism teaches that Christ was a man who became God, rather than the Bible teaching that He is God who became man (setting aside His prerogatives of deity, yet remaining fully God).
God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345–346)
Although Mormons claim the title “Christian,” historically, any group which tampers with or denies the doctrine of the deity of Christ has been referred to as a cult.
I watched two news interviews on Sunday regarding this comment. One was with Pastor Jeffress, who stood by and further explained his comment. The other was with Pastor Joel Osteen, who wouldn’t even answer a direct question about how Mormonism differs with Christianity. Although I am not a Southern Baptist, I’m thankful for Pastor Jeffress’ bold witness and his willingness to stand for the truth.
I praise God for anyone who will hold forth the truth of the Gospel, and I pray that God will raise up more Christians that will unashamedly “shine as lights in the world” (Philippians 2:15)."
This man is NOT smart.
Has everyone forgotten the Mormons were (are) the only "religion" that ever tried to overthrow the United States Government? They were defeated at Independence, Mo. That led to their trek out west. Look it up. Since that coup didn't work, they have infiltrated the CIA, FBI and numerous other government agencies. Unfortunately, they are well qualified since they don't use alcohol or nicotine or take any drugs. It seems to me they are trying to take over from the inside. Getting a Mormon elected to the office of The President of The United States would be their greatest coup. Many folks know the news, but how many remember our history?
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